Interviews

Ep 155: Abduction at Devil's Den

 
 

“We have already opened our doors to monsters. They have arrived.”
Terry Lovelace, Esq., from his book: Incident at Devil’s Den: A True Story

 

Background:

The interview you’re about to hear is one of the most compelling, fascinating, and terrifying personal accounts we’ve ever come across. We realize it may also be one of the most controversial subjects we’ve ever discussed. Our guest tonight knows these sensations all too well. The wonder, terror, decades of trauma, and the consequences from coming forward after a lifetime of these experiences are all part of his story. In June of 1977, Terry Lovelace was in the U.S. Air Force working as a medic and EMT while stationed at Whiteman AFB. He and his EMT partner and close friend felt compelled to take a weekend camping to Devil’s Den State Park in Arkansas. What started out as a carefree trip to the great outdoors would end in a night of horror and pain as they encountered a massive unknown craft about five stories tall. This experience would lead to not only nightmares and inexplicable panic attacks for Terry along with an intense investigation by the USAF Office of Special Investigations, but the tragic and premature death of his friend. Terry would go on to a successful career in law as a felony prosecutor, eventually becoming an Assistant Attorney General for the U.S. Territory of American Samoa and a State’s Attorney for Vermont’s Board of Medical Practice. After retirement, a trip to the Emergency Room for a fall in 2012 would bring all those suppressed memories to the surface once again, memories that began in his childhood. The radiologist had discovered an anomalous piece of square metal about the size of a fingernail with two wires attached, just above his right knee. In the calf muscle below, a strange, flower petal-shaped object with the density of bone was also discovered. To add to the mystery, there were no incision marks anywhere to be found. This discovery and the objects’ purpose were enough to convince Terry that it was time to tell his story. He believes we all have a right to know what’s really going on. Some may find his account frightening or at least alarming, while others will dismiss it as fantasy. Many won’t know what to think about it. But consider this: if you don’t believe any of it, then you don’t have to worry, you and your rationale are safe. If you do believe his story, even just some of it, then it may provide a glimpse into one of the biggest mysteries and threats humanity has ever faced.

 
 
 

Location:

The meadow clearing on a slight plateau in Devil’s Den State Park in Arkansas, where Terry Lovelace and his friend “Toby” were abducted in June of 1977

 
 

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CREDITS:

Episode 155: Abduction at Devil’s Den.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 154: Lockdown at the Waverly Hills Sanatorium

 
 

“I do believe in the paranormal, there are things our brains just can’t understand.”
Art Bell, Creator and Host of Coast to Coast AM

 

Background:

Many of us have seen all the ghost hunting shows on cable television and elsewhere, but are those accurate representations of what goes on during a paranormal investigation? After all, TV shows, have to deliver as many instances of spooky "evidence" as possible, because we, the viewing audience, demand it. In reality, like any hunting or fishing expedition, the experience is usually long stretches of waiting patiently and hopefully for brief moments of high excitement. Well, tonight we're going to find out in detail what it's like to actually go on a ghost hunt as we welcome back the previous episode's guest, author and paranormal investigator James A. Willis. We'll also be joined by our good friends Jill and Roger Pingleton, who are seasoned paranormal investigators themselves. On July 22, 2019, during a "lockdown" from 8:00 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. we had the privilege of following along with them as they investigated one of the most notoriously haunted buildings in the United States, if not the world, the Waverly Hills Sanatorium in Louisville, KY. From 1910 to 1961, this massive and formerly abandoned medical facility saw more than its share of misery and death as it served as a treatment hospital for those suffering from the scourge of tuberculosis as it plagued the Louisville and Jefferson County area. The building then witnessed another era of dwindling and death from 1962 to 1982 when it served as Woodhaven Medical Services, a nursing home for the elderly and those with severe mental disabilities. Fortunately, however, this historic edifice has been undergoing restoration since 2001 when it was taken over by caring and dedicated new owners. It's currently open for tours, investigations, and events. Regardless of Waverly Hills' past, the future looks bright for this special place, a special place that's also especially haunted.

 

Check back later for more photos, captions, and videos!

 
 

The Waverly Hills Sanatorium

On the outskirts of Louisville, Kentucky, USA.

 

Blueprint of the 4th Floor layout at Waverly Hills Sanatorium

 

Audio clips from the investigation:

The following audio file is the “groan” that was heard by James and Steph Willis and Roger and Jill Pingleton on the fourth floor of Waverly. The voices that can be heard speaking are first Roger, then Jill, then the groan, then James. It was recorded with the Olympus voice recorder James was wearing on his vest.

 

Below is the audio clip of what sounds like possible laughter heard by Roger Pingleton:

 

Below audio clip of Roger seeing an anomaly in his laser light grid near the ceiling, at the spot where “The Creeper” shadow being is supposed to appear:

 
 
 

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Episode 154: Lockdown at Waverly Sanatorium.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 153: James Willis and the Ghosts of Ohio

 
 

“Ghosts Exist... Ghosts exist to help keep history alive.”

Paranormal Investigator, author and public speaker, James A. Willis from the introduction to his book, Ohio’s Historic Haunts, published in 2015 by the Kent State University Press

 

Background:

The ideal qualities of a paranormal investigator should include objectivity, a grasp of the relevant history and science, and a skeptical and inquisitive nature that’s balanced with a fair and open mind. Tonight’s guest has all of those traits and more. Author and paranormal researcher James A. Willis originally hails from the Hudson Highlands of upstate New York, the stomping grounds of the Headless Horseman of Sleepy Hollow. After spending 15 of his formative years being intrigued by macabre media and all things ghostly, strange and spooky, Willis moved to Ohio to found the nationally recognized research organization, The Ghosts of Ohio. He has since grown the organization to over 35 members, representing the regions anchored by the cities of Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati. In 2004, the founders of the popular line of Weird US books invited Willis to contribute and he has since collaborated on 6 volumes in the series. In 2012, Willis struck out on his own with the publication of Haunted Indiana. For 2013’s The Big Book Of Ohio Ghost Stories, Willis crisscrossed Ohio to bring readers over 75 of the Buckeye state’s most famous (and infamous) ghosts. In 2015, Willis released Ohio’s Historic Haunts: Investigating the Paranormal in the Buckeye State. Willis’ latest project, 2017’s Central Ohio Legends & Lore, had him chasing down some of the Buckeye State’s most legendary characters, including Johnny Appleseed, Annie Oakley, and Chief Leatherlips. Along the way, Willis took the time to explore some of central Ohio’s stranger legends, such as the Ohio Grassman and even UFOs. A sought-after public speaker, Willis has given presentations throughout the United States, during which he has educated and entertained tens of thousands of people of all ages in crowd sizes ranging from 10 to well over 600. He has also been featured in more than 75 media sources, including CNN, USA Today, Columbus Business First, Midwest Living, The Canadian Press, and even the Kuwait Times. Please join us as we hear about James’ approach to paranormal research and delve into some of his most weird and eerie cases.

 
 
 

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Weird Ohio: Your Travel Guide to Ohio's Local Legends and Best Kept Secrets
By Loren Coleman, Andy Henderson, James A Willis
Konstantin Raudive - The Voices of the Dead
By Konstantin Raudive-the Voices of the Dead
 

Audio Clips from James Willis’ investigations:

The “Wendy Laugh”

Notes from James:

**It’s creepier if you listen to the clips in this order**

WL MISSING

Recorded by my digital voice recorder, a Tascam DR-05 (note: this will pick up stray interference from cell phones, etc., which comes across as static. But I have yet to come across any other instance where this did NOT pick up something which I heard “live”), which was sitting on the desk in front of me, facing me.

I was seated in a small office area at a desk with my back to the door, which was approximately three feet behind me. In the next room, which was an open sitting area-type room, was a studio microphone, which was facing towards me. Behind the microphone was another door, which led out into a hallway. Across that hallway was another door, which led into the library’s conference room. At the far end of that conference room was Wendy, who was sitting at the monitor/mixer/computer table, watching and listening to things. All other investigators were at the opposite end of the building in the library itself (as opposed to the office area).

In this clip, you will hear me calmly mention “that was Wendy, laughing in the other room”. In real time, when I heard it, I distinctly heard “Wendy”, although I don’t know why it didn’t dawn on me that 1. It was way too loud for it to be Wendy since she was so far away from me because 2. Wendy doesn’t have a loud, obnoxious laugh like what I heard. But when I heard it, I thought it was Wendy and “marked it” because it was so loud I thought the recording devices around me were going to pick it up.

BTW, the various clicks, pops, and odd noises appear to all be related to me moving in the world’s noisiest chair. There’s also a clock on the wall, which, oddly enough, ended up helping us time out things because we could follow the “beat” of the clock.

WL FULL

Recorded by the studio mic which was behind me. This is the “Wendy laugh” that I heard in real time. The laugh that’s curiously missing from my digital voice recorder.

 

Oliver House Restaurant Investigation:

Raw, unedited audio file

The is a section of audio recorded at the Oliver House, a restaurant. The entire recording was originally “thrown out”, for reasons which will become clear in a bit.

This recording was made while I was setting up the microphones for an investigation. The building was closed and locked up for the evening. I was alone with the exception of the GM, who was female.

The microphone was placed at one end of a long hallway, facing a door to the outside, which was locked. The hallways had doors to offices on either side, all of which were locked.

After turning the microphone on and checking it through the mixer, I realized the mic was placed near an AC vent, which was causing the mic to get “blown out” by the sounds of the blower coming through the vent. We tried moving the mic, but no matter where it was placed in the hallway, it picked up the blower. So I ended up not using a studio mic in that hallway.

To set this clip up, it was taken from the audio that was recorded in that hallway, so you will hear the blower noises throughout. The two voices you will hear and mine and the GM’s and you will hear us briefly between the :05 and :07 mark. She had just flipped a switch and thought that might have turned that one vent off. That’s where my “Uh, no, not really” comes from as I had headphones on and was listening to the mixer. It’s important to note that at the time, neither of us were in the hallway—we were about 20 feet behind the mic, down some stairs, and in another room. So there was no one in the hallway at the time of the recording.

The unexplained noise that’s sort of buried under the blower noise is what sounds like someone whistling…a lot. It starts around the :09 mark and goes through the end of the clip, with particularly loud sections occurring between :32 and :48. It does not appear to be “normal” blower-type whistling that happens when air passes through. This whistling appears to change pitch and tempo.

My only rational explanation was that the restaurant has Muzak or actual music piped in. I don’t recall hearing it at the time and none of the other recordings made during the night have any music in the background. It’s also a bit odd to me that I just hear whistling—no music.

 

Ohio Library Investigation

A description from James about the following audio clip:

3-2 Whispers

This is a section of audio recorded during an investigation at an Ohio library. We were taking a break, which is why there is all the distant talking.

During the time this was recorded, the library had been closed for hours (it was approximately 11:00 pm) and all investigators and librarians present were at or near the front desk on the main floor (we’re the ones you can hear talking in the distance). The microphone that recorded the audio was on the same floor, roughly fifteen feet away and around the corner in the “Local History” room. It was a studio condenser mic, facing away from the front desk area and towards another smaller room.

The “voice” that comes in around :11 remains unexplained as of now, but does not match anyone who was in the building at the time. The library does have high ceilings and the “voice” appears to have an echo, but oddly enough, this “voice” was only recorded by this one microphone.

 

Description of audio clips by James Willis

from the James Thurber House investigation:

J

Taken from microphone #1 (top of stairs)


S

Taken from microphone #2 (bottom of stairs)

F

Taken from microphone #3 (front parlor)

• All three recordings were from the Shure microphones, that were hardwired into the Korg mixer. All three clips are from almost the same exact moment in time—1:15 am.

• For J and S, the creaking noises from roughly :02—:10 may have been the result of the 2 contest winners shifting their weight on the staircase and/or bannister.

• All three microphones picked up the two contest winners having a brief discussion regarding the noises they were hearing (and their belief that it was being caused by the team members (“them”) downstairs. The conversation begins at approximately :19 and consists entirely of the following exchange:

F: “Is that them?”

M: “Yes”.

The “voice anomaly” at approximately :17 does fall within the range of a human voice, but does not match the voice pattern of anyone else in the building at the time. Both contest winners said they heard “you guys talking”, but could not make out what we were saying. None of the team members or the Thurber House employee heard the “voice” at the time it was recorded.

Roughly the spot James Thurber was standing in when he heard the footsteps in The Night The Ghost Got In (bathroom is behind the photographer at the top of the stairs—walking straight up the stairs and continuing straight puts you in the bathroom).  This pic shows roughly where microphone that recorded J was (mic was a further back and close to the bathroom door to allow people to go up and down the stairs. Two contest winners were also positioned here at the time the noises were recorded.  Approximate location of microphone that recorded S is the potted plant at the bottom of the stairs.  To the right of the potted plant are two additional steps, which end in the dining room, where Thurber heard the footsteps coming from.  DVR camera, which was positioned immediately behind the microphone that recorded J shows no one on the staircase at the time the footsteps/door/unknown voice were recorded—one contest winner was at the top landing while the other was slightly down the hallway to the right of the bannister that’s on the right side of this photo).  DVR camera positioned in the dining room and looking towards the bottom of the staircase shows there was no one in the dining room at the time the footsteps/door/unknown voice were recorded.

Roughly the spot James Thurber was standing in when he heard the footsteps in The Night The Ghost Got In (bathroom is behind the photographer at the top of the stairs—walking straight up the stairs and continuing straight puts you in the bathroom).

This pic shows roughly where microphone that recorded J was (mic was a further back and close to the bathroom door to allow people to go up and down the stairs. Two contest winners were also positioned here at the time the noises were recorded.

Approximate location of microphone that recorded S is the potted plant at the bottom of the stairs.

To the right of the potted plant are two additional steps, which end in the dining room, where Thurber heard the footsteps coming from.

DVR camera, which was positioned immediately behind the microphone that recorded J shows no one on the staircase at the time the footsteps/door/unknown voice were recorded—one contest winner was at the top landing while the other was slightly down the hallway to the right of the bannister that’s on the right side of this photo).

DVR camera positioned in the dining room and looking towards the bottom of the staircase shows there was no one in the dining room at the time the footsteps/door/unknown voice were recorded.

Where everyone in the house (with the exception of the 2 contest winners) were positioned when the audio was recorded. DVR monitor, mixer, etc., were on the table, facing the fireplace.  Team members and Thurber House employee were all positioned between the fireplace and table, watching and listening. All reported hearing the contest winners talking, but not the footsteps/door/unknown voice.  For reference, the dining room is through the door at the top of the photo. Going through the door and turning immediately to the right will have you looking directly at the bottom of the staircase and the potted plant in “Top of Staircase” reference photo.    This photo was taken from the doorway to the front parlor, where the microphone that recorded F was positioned, as well as one of the DVR cameras.

Where everyone in the house (with the exception of the 2 contest winners) were positioned when the audio was recorded. DVR monitor, mixer, etc., were on the table, facing the fireplace.

Team members and Thurber House employee were all positioned between the fireplace and table, watching and listening. All reported hearing the contest winners talking, but not the footsteps/door/unknown voice.

For reference, the dining room is through the door at the top of the photo. Going through the door and turning immediately to the right will have you looking directly at the bottom of the staircase and the potted plant in “Top of Staircase” reference photo.

This photo was taken from the doorway to the front parlor, where the microphone that recorded F was positioned, as well as one of the DVR cameras.

Microphone that recorded F was positioned to the left of this photo, to the left of the chair and near the open doorway that led into the room where the Command Center was set up.  REM Pod that begins beeping was sitting on the table in the middle of the room (amongst the tea set).  Team members and Thurber House employee reported hearing the REM Pod, but not the footsteps/door/unknown voice.  This microphone was also the closest to the team members and Thurber House employee, so it stands to reason that if any of those noises were the result of those people, it would have been the loudest on this microphone.  DVR camera, which was positioned immediately behind the microphone that recorded F shows no one in the room at the time the footsteps/door/unknown voice were recorded.

Microphone that recorded F was positioned to the left of this photo, to the left of the chair and near the open doorway that led into the room where the Command Center was set up.

REM Pod that begins beeping was sitting on the table in the middle of the room (amongst the tea set).

Team members and Thurber House employee reported hearing the REM Pod, but not the footsteps/door/unknown voice.

This microphone was also the closest to the team members and Thurber House employee, so it stands to reason that if any of those noises were the result of those people, it would have been the loudest on this microphone.

DVR camera, which was positioned immediately behind the microphone that recorded F shows no one in the room at the time the footsteps/door/unknown voice were recorded.


 

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Ep 152: The Voynich Manuscript Part 2

Undated photograph of Wilfrid Voynich, about 48 years old, by F. Hollyer. From the Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Digital Collection.

 
 

We all want to know what the Voynich means, but most would-be interpreters begin with their own preconceptions, and their attempts to demystify the medieval past only serve to mystify it further, making the Voynich into a telling avatar of our vexed relationship with the past.

Paraphrased from an August 14, 2019 Washington Post Article entitled “Why do people keep convincing themselves they’ve solved this medieval mystery?” by Lisa Fagin Davis, Executive Director of the Medieval Academy of America

 

Background:

Since its modern discovery, no other medieval manuscript has seen as much media attention or scholarly scrutiny as the Voynich Manuscript. No doubt this is due to the fantastical strangeness of its mystery, which is also the same reason it continually captures the imagination of the public. Because it would seem, the bigger the mystery, the bigger the reward for its solving. Like with any enduring enigma, the manuscript has attracted its share of sleuths who have claimed they've been the ones to at least gain an insight into a solution. Their confidence may be due to another mystical property of the manuscript. If one looks hard enough for evidence to make their preconceived hypothesis work, they will find some within its pages. However, why such interest and debate over this old book? Other than as a specimen of 600-year-old "folk art," what is the worth of a book no one can read? Because the Voynich Manuscript still holds the promise of revealing secret knowledge that could help humanity, and it has always been extremely satisfying to discover that which has been lost.

 
 
 

Location:

Villa Mondragone in an area called, from its many castles and villas, Castelli Romani about 12 miles (20 km) southeast of Rome, near the ancient town of Tusculum, where rare book and antiques dealer Wilfrid Voynich purchased the mysterious manuscript named after him, from a trunk reportedly once belonging to Athanasius Kircher.

 

Reference Links:

 

Related Books:

The Voynich Manuscript
Yale University Press
Codex Seraphinianus
By Luigi Serafini
 

Fire Protection specialist Greg Schmitz dispels some myths about Halon fire suppression:

Hi guys, 

Love the show! I was listening to your most recent episode about the Voynich Manuscript when I heard a couple common myths repeated regarding fire suppression systems. I’m a senior fire protection technician for a Los Angeles based company with 12 years experience, and a lot of people have similar misconceptions about fire suppression systems. 

I’m glad that the library has a clean agent system installed to protect these priceless artifacts, but there’s no need to worry about life safety issues from these systems. They are expertly designed, have an excellent safety record, and when maintained properly, are there to protect property while also being safe for humans working in the area. 

Myth #1: Halon 1301 is toxic. 

While CO2 systems are designed for normally unoccupied spaces and use an agent concentration of around 45% (10% is immediately dangerous to human life), halon 1301 (bromotrifluoromethane) systems use around 5% for class A fires (paper, cloth, wood, etc.). Halon 1301 is lethal at around an 83% concentration in pure form, and around 14% once exposed to flame, as it breaks down into hydrogen bromide, hydrogen fluoride, and free halogens. However, these are extremely irritating and will make you want to get away quickly. These stats reflect use on class B (liquids) test fires, though, a class A fire in the incipient stage from burning documents would produce much less thermal decomposition byproducts, as they are smoldering, smokey fires which would set off the smoke detection and activate the suppression system quickly. That’s if a conservationist or librarian didn’t use a portable extinguisher first, which would likely be distilled water mist (safe) or another clean agent which would have similar properties to 1301 but are slightly more toxic (very safe, no worse than 1301.) At any rate, it’s safe to breathe the percentage of agent discharged to extinguish fire for 4-5 minutes, which gives plenty of time to escape. CO2 would prove lethal under the same circumstances. Keep in mind that the U.S. armed forces and NASA have used 1301 for years in spaces that can’t be evacuated or ventilated, like spacecraft and armored fighting vehicles in combat. 

Inergen was also mentioned. Inergen is similar in application to halon 1301, but is an inert gas mixture of nitrogen, argon, and CO2 proprietary to Ansul. It doesn’t create thermal decomposition byproducts like 1301, and is safe to breathe for around 4-5 minutes at the design concentration of around 35-40%. It starts becoming dangerous at 62% so there is about a 20% safety margin. With either of these products, evacuating ASAP is ideal, as it would be during any fire event anyway. Having both of these systems installed concurrently covering the same area would be unusual, but given the nature of the hazard, theoretically possible with approval from the authority having jurisdiction (fire inspector). 

Myth #2: Halon 1301 removes or “sucks all the oxygen out of the room.”

Again, it’s being confused with CO2. CO2 displaces oxygen, effectively smothering the fire. Halon 1301 works by interrupting the chemical chain reaction required for fire to sustain itself and grow. (The bromine in the compound is responsible for both its high effectiveness on fire, as well as its negative impact on the ozone layer.) Inergen does work by smothering, but retains a higher safety margin than CO2 and can therefore be used in normally occupied spaces. 

Myth#3: Halon is used in kitchens. 

Nope, and never was. CO2 was used in kitchen suppression systems early on, as was dry chemical but these offer no fuel securement. Once the gas or powder cloud dissipates, the fire could restart if the fuel remains hot or an external ignition source remains. Halon would offer similar limitations. The systems designs are also different. Kitchen systems are local application only, they apply agent to a specified area, i.e. appliances, duct, and plenum, whereas halon 1301 systems are total flooding. These systems fill an entire room up to the specified design concentration and hold it for a specified time period. The room must be relatively gas tight to hold the agent concentration, which commercial kitchens are not. They are open floor plan with massive ventilation fans, not suited at all for holding extinguishing gas. Modern kitchens use water-based wet chemical, which discharges as a spray and works through cooling and saponification to extinguish grease fires and keep them out. It’s a non-toxic mixture of water and potassium salts. 

Thanks for listening to my rant and keep up the great work! 

Sincerely, 

Greg Schmitz 

Frontier Fire Protection

 

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Episode 152: The Voynich Manuscript Part 2.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 150: Jim Perry of the Euphomet Podcast

 
 

“We are in search of the other side... the thing under your bed... that signal of unknown origin... and the true stories behind the strange phenomena that are outside the sphere of popular consciousness.”

Jim Perry

 

Background:

Podcasters share a special bond, and this is especially true of those engaged with the pursuit of covering stories about the paranormal and unimaginable phenomena. It is perhaps because we know our pursuit of the truth behind these ineffable events will take us beyond the fringes of belief and acceptance. It leaves us and our subjects vulnerable. But those that manage to tell these stories well have also managed to capture and relay the vulnerability and humanity and behind them. Because without it, there is little context to our own lives and therefore little empathy or meaning, and they may well remain as nothing but improbable tales. One such storyteller is tonight’s guest, Jim Perry. Jim and his critically acclaimed audio documentary podcast Euphomet, have explored the strange and our relationship to it. The result is an intimate and fascinating look at how these encounters affect us on a personal level. Tonight we talk with Jim about the stories and his own experiences that have shaped his perspective and his show.

 
 
 

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Episode 150: Jim Perry of the Euphomet Podcast.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 149: Dan, Susan, Micah Hanks, and Missing Time

 
 

“People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”

– Albert Einstein

 

Background:

As we often say on the show, if you haven't had a strange, paranormal experience, it's likely someone you know has. This happens to be the case with two college friends of Forrest, Dan Povenmire and Susan Lambert. In the mid-1980s, Susan was working as a reporter for the student newspaper of The University of Southern California, The Daily Trojan. She had asked Dan if he wanted to accompany her to an interview with a movie director. They set out on a drive that should only have taken no more than 40 minutes to complete. But upon arriving at the hotel where the director was giving interviews, learned that they were somehow around 3.5 hours late. This seeming impossibility has baffled Dan ever since and fueled a search for answers. But to add to the mystery, this wouldn't be the only unexplainable experience of missing time, as the pair would encounter another episode during a subsequent car ride together. And like with the first trip, each would remember a few odd sights during it that the other didn't recall. While unexplainable disruptions in time are rare, many people have reported experiencing a disturbing wrinkle in the fabric of time which we trust should always be smooth. Just what is going on when something so seemingly fixed and unalterable as the passage of time fluctuates? In the latter portion of the show, writer, field researcher, and podcaster Micah Hanks joins us for a discussion on some possible theories as to what might be happening scientifically with the phenomenon of Missing Time.

 
 

Location:

The University of Southern California, where Dan and Susan left to conduct an interview for the school newspaper, The Daily Trojan and ended up missing nearly 3.5 hours of time during their car ride.

 
 
 

Related Books:

Communion: A True Story
By Whitley Strieber
Consciousness Explained
By Daniel C. Dennett
A Brief History of Time
By Stephen Hawking
 

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Ep 146: Lyle Blackburn – Cryptid Hunter

 
 

“When I was sitting in the car, I saw him from the neck down. He was outside the driver’s side window. After about two yards, he jumped on the roof. I saw hands, rough-looking black finger-nailed hands, sticking down from the windshield!”

– Chris Davis’ account of his encounter with the Lizard Man, from Lyle Blackburn’s book by the same name

 

Background:

To really study the paranormal, any good researcher will tell you one must get out in the field to investigate the sightings, and that is especially true when it comes to cryptozoology. This is precisely what our interview guest has done. Lyle Blackburn is a full-time author, musician, and cryptid researcher from Texas, whose life-long fascination with legendary creatures has led him to write several acclaimed books, including Momo: The Strange Case of the Missouri Monster, The Beast of Boggy Creek, and Lizard Man. Lyle is a frequent guest on radio programs such as Coast to Coast AM and has been featured on numerous television shows like Monsters and Mysteries in America, Finding Bigfoot, and Strange Evidence, as well as other programs airing on the Animal Planet, Destination America, Discovery Science, and A&E channels. In addition, Lyle is a regular contributor for the monthly horror magazine, Rue Morgue. Lyle can also be heard as the frontman for his rock band Ghoultown, along with narrating/producing several Small Town Monsters documentaries, including Terror in the Skies, Boggy Creek Monster, The Mothman of Point Pleasant, and Bray Road Beast. When he’s not chasing cryptids and writing about them or performing with his band, Lyle can be found speaking at various cryptozoology conferences and horror conventions around the United States. Tonight, we sit down with Lyle to discuss his books and his thoughts about some of the most chilling encounters with bizarre and frightening creatures ever reported.

 
 

Location:

Louisiana, Missouri, where a large, long-haired, man-like creature since known as “Momo” was spotted on multiple occasions by local residents.

 
 
 
Boggy Creek Monster
Starring Lyle Blackburn
Wood Knocks Volume 1: A Journal of Sasquatch Research
By David Weatherly, Lyle Blackburn, Nick Redfern, Ken Gerhard, Linda Godfrey
The Legend of Boggy Creek
Starring Vern Stierman, Chuck Pierce Jr., William Stumpp, Willie E. Smith, Lloyd Bowen
Boggy Creek
Starring Damon Lipari, Melissa Carnell, Shavon Kirksey, Stephanie Honore, Texas Battle
 

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Ep 145: Brandon Massullo and The Ghost Studies

 
 

“The Survival Hypothesis is looking at whether your consciousness, soul, spirit, memories, or personality go on after you die. For me, that is the most fascinating part of Parapsychology.”

Paraphrased from our interview with tonight’s guest, Brandon Massullo

 

Background:

Does some element of us exist after we die? Is it possible that a message in a dire time of need could reach a loved one across vast distances without the aid of electronic or mechanical means, with a form of psychic energy either just before or after death? Could our emotional spirit be so intense in a moment of crisis that it leaves an imprint or echo that can reverberate in the ether and be heard, seen or sensed again and again? There have been many reported cases where this seems to have happened, and you may have seen such stories in the news or even have one from your own family. Don't you wish scientists would study these examples in a search for answers to some of the most significant questions of all? Well, some scientists are because this type of occurrence falls under the field of parapsychology and we're fortunate enough this evening to speak with Brandon Massullo. Brandon is a clinical therapist and parapsychologist with graduate degrees in clinical counseling from the University of Toledo and psychological research methods from the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, UK. His research at the University of Edinburgh centered on neurobiological correlates of ghostly encounters, and he studied within the Koestler Parapsychology Unit at the University of Edinburgh under the supervision of author and international lecturer, Dr. Caroline Watt. Brandon has been fascinated by paranormal phenomena for 20 years and has been a participant and featured speaker in numerous paranormal forums and events. Join us for a fascinating discussion of his research into the possibility that our cries, or at least some form of our being, may linger beyond our earthly existence.

 
 
 
 
 

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CREDITS:

Episode 145: Brandon Massullo and The Ghost Studies.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Bonus: Jorma Taccone and Chaka

Above Image: Jorma Taccone, as the higher primate creature, “Chaka” from the 2009 motion picture, Land of the Lost

 
 
 

Background:

Tonight, we have a special bonus episode for you, a commercial-free interview with a very talented writer, director, and performer who has actually worn a sophisticated ape-like costume for a Hollywood feature film and lived to tell about it. You may know Jorma Taccone from the wildly popular comedy trio, “The Lonely Island.” Along with Andy Samberg and Akiva Shaffer, the three have gone on to produce some of the most memorable and hilarious “Digital Shorts” for Saturday Night Live and their feature films, comedy albums and live performances have garnered them millions of fans. But what you may not know about Jorma is that he portrayed the loveably goofy primate-like character “Chaka” for the 2009 film “Land of the Lost,” inspired by the original 1974 children’s television series. While you might think hopping around in a monkey suit for a movie would be fun (certainly Jorma thought so at first) it turns out the hours-long, daily application of the Special Effects makeup was mind-numbingly tedious, and the performance while wearing it was physically grueling and exhausting. We’ll hear from Jorma about his experience with a professional, expensive, skin-tight costume, some funny anecdotes about shooting the movie, and his thoughts on the appearance of the creature from the Patterson-Gimlin Film. As many experts have stated, if the subject in the PGF was actually just a man in a costume, that costume was one of the best that’s ever been made.

 
 

Location:

Researchers have re-located the site where Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin had their encounter with “Patty” the Sasquatch, on the banks of Bluff Creek around 1:30 p.m. on Friday, October 20, 1967. Bluff Creek is a tributary of the Klamath River, about 25 logging-road miles northwest of the town of Orleans, in Del Norte County California. GPS coordinates provided by BIGFOOT’S bLOG website.

 
 
 

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CREDITS:

Bonus: Jorma Taccone and Chaka.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 136: Dyatlov Update #1

 
 

“Relatives, the media and the public still ask prosecutors to determine the truth and don't hide their suspicions that something was hidden from them.”

Russian prosecutor’s spokesperson, Alexander Kurennoi

 

Background:

Most everyone familiar with the tragedy of Dyatlov Pass believes that whatever mysterious and strange event occurred, not all of the details have been shared by the Russian government. Tonight, we speak with Keith McCloskey, author of two books about the subject, "Mountain of the Dead: The Dyatlov Pass Incident" and "Journey to Dyatlov Pass: An Explanation of the Mystery" who has also traveled to the site for his research. We'll hear about his hypotheses and the current state of his efforts to petition the Russian courts to reexamine the case and declassify any previously unreleased information. We first spoke with Keith for our coverage on the Flannan Isles Lighthouse mystery and trust that he will bring the same diligent investigation and keen observations into solving this unfortunate riddle once and for all.

 
 
 

Location:

Dyatlov Pass” on the slopes of Kholat Syakhl in the northern Ural Mountains of the Russian Federation.

 
 

Related Books:

 

Suggested Viewing:

There’s a fascinating new documentary just released about the US Government’s research into the technique of Remote Viewing, called Third Eye Spies. Produced by Lance Mungia with noted ESP researcher, physicist Russell Targ, Third Eye Spies examines the secrets behind the classified military program designed to explore the possibility that agents could be trained to consistently “see” and describe locations and objects hidden by foreign and domestic agencies from remote locations. Check out the details and watch a Trailer at ThirdEyeSpies.com. The film is available on DVD at the website, on iTunes and Amazon and also across digital streaming services worldwide including Cable services’ Video On Demand.

We’re also excited to announce that the documentary features our friend Lori Williams and her Controlled Remote Viewing practice, which you can sign up to learn at intuitivespecialists.com. Lori was a part of our series on Flight 19 and has been interviewed on Coast to Coast AM numerous times.

 

Hear yourself on the show!

Here’s your chance to have your own voice on our show and receive a very, very modest amount of Internet fame! They’re called Listener Segues, and we need more of them all the time. Through the wonders of our digital age, you can record your own voice delivering one and then it magically shows up in a future episode… because our Sound Editor Sarah places them there. All you have to do is go to: tinyurl.com/astonishingsegues for instructions on how to do it. So record one today and become immortalized in glorious technology! … until a massive geomagnetic storm like the Carrington Event hits the earth again, so please do it sooner than later.

 

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CREDITS:

Episode 136: Dyatlov Update #1.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 135: Sarah and the Spider Woman

 
 

“There was a spider woman on the stairs. Not the fun spider woman. She was like an old woman made of smoke and shadows and she had these very jagged spider legs coming out of her back. And she stood on our staircase and she just stared at me. She had the most angry face I’d ever seen.”

– Paraphrased quote from tonight’s guest, Sarah.

 
 
 

Background:

When people see horrific apparitions of a supernatural nature, what are they really seeing and what could be causing these images to appear?  Could it be that the demons and terrors some people have witnessed sometimes come from a strange symptom of a rare medical condition? This seems to have been the case with tonight's guest, Sarah, who was seeing beings and elements more associated with demonic possession, a haunting or even a psychological disorder, rather than with a physiological illness. It might seem easy to say all supernatural occurrences are nothing but a byproduct of a medical ailment, but many people have also reported seeing and interacting with horrific specters similar to what Sarah was seeing, who have no medical issues.  We are left to wonder then, on a case by case basis if seeing something supernatural is from a medical cause, a spiritual cause, or perhaps a combination of both.

 
 

Related Books:

The Exorcism of Anneliese Michel:
By Felicitas D. Goodman
 

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CREDITS:

Episode 135 Sarah and the Spider Woman.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel; Sound Design by Ryan McCullough; Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher; Research Support from the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2019 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 133: The Betz Sphere Part 4

The terrain pictured above is very similar and close to where the Betz Sphere was originally found. Photo courtesy of the Betz Family. Copyright 2019, Astonishing Legends, All Rights Reserved.

 
 

Wait a second Gerri, do you have a copy of the X-ray?”

“Do I ever, friend! I have the original! And from what I can tell, I’m not supposed to have it.”

– A Paraphrased exchange between Gerri and a Science Journalist and family friend who wrote an un-produced script about the Betz Sphere.

 

Link to the webpage showcasing the X-Rays of the Sphere:

https://www.astonishinglegends.com/xray