Ep 282: The Elusive Force – A Powerful Polish Poltergeist Part 2
“Physics is the science of probabilities, whereas biology is the science of improbable phenomena. The living organism operates on the basis of reactions that are statistically improbable.”
Description:
For part two of our examination of the elusive force that flowed through Joasia Gajeweski, we're fortunate and honored to present a conversation with three knowledgeable professionals familiar with the case. We first learned of this fantastic story and the book that documented it from a clinical therapist, author, parapsychologist, past show guest, and friend, Brandon Massullo. Brandon then offered to put us in touch with psychologist, researcher, and author James Houran, Ph.D., who studied the case extensively. And for the trifecta, another past guest and friend, Michael Kishbucher, connected us with Joel Stern. Joel was a staff translator and reviewer in the Office of Language Services at the U.S. State Department in Washington, DC, for 28 years. He translated The Elusive Force: A Remarkable Case of Poltergeist Activity and Psychokinetic Power into English and spent decades attempting to get the book published, which finally occurred in 2023. Joel also spent time with Joasia and her family during the process and has specific insights into the people and their circumstances. Join us tonight for a lively discussion from the viewpoint of parapsychology and human behavior when it collides with the paranormal, and the impossible becomes impossible to dismiss.
![Dr. James Houran, Ph.D.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1716783831373-13O0G9YHHBEIAX3W3AN5/JamesHouran_1024.jpg)
![Clinical therapist, author, parapsychologist, past show guest, and friend, Brandon Massullo](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1716784492740-AAMSXY5DLNR0BK5C8H34/Brandon_Massullo+%281%29.png)
!["These are the two teaspoons that Joasia Gajewski bent for me in Oct. 1989 and the summer of 1990 during my two visits, accompanied by Marek Rymuszko and Anna Ostrzycka (the book's co-authors), to her family's apartment in the town of Czeladz. I kep](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1716787147553-JOU11G8HLUE12L8JUWZZ/IMG_2469.jpg)
![Joasia Gajewski with a spoon bent by the psychokinetic force. Photo of Joasia Gajewski by Szymon Polański, www.polanskistudio.pl](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063418188-WJKE1M99545VSDYVTHFL/20230414_120502.jpg)
![Joasia with heavy gauge braided copper wire cable she bent psychokinetically.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063418106-W9ZSC0NFHLNS7YB6J3PJ/20230414_120548.jpg)
![Joasia with a spoon bent psychokinetically](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063419447-BGU8W0UKO6JN9TAOKN5A/image2.jpeg)
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![Joasia with authors Anna Ostrzycka and Marek Rymuszko, 1986. Ostrzycka, Anna; Rymuszko, Marek. The Elusive Force: A Remarkable Case of Poltergeist Activity and Psychokinetic Power (p. 97). Anomalist Books. Kindle Edition.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063423104-OB793FEI4DQR4M26EPQX/image13.jpeg)
![Joasia with Dr. Eustachiusz Gadula, a member of the research team that studied the girl for a period of 40 months in 1983-1986. Ostrzycka, Anna; Rymuszko, Marek. The Elusive Force: A Remarkable Case of Poltergeist Activity and Psychokinetic Power (](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063420255-JL9ADQGDHLFEXZE9IOPK/image4.jpeg)
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!["A hole in a door in the Gajewski family’s apartment in Czeladz, caused by a bottle flying at a tremendous velocity.” Ostrzycka, Anna; Rymuszko, Marek. The Elusive Force: A Remarkable Case of Poltergeist Activity and Psychokinetic Power (p. 90). An](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713731545412-1RTAVUCSVLNP7ZA316PJ/image7.jpg)
![Damage visible in the front hallway of the Gajewskis’ apartment. Ostrzycka, Anna; Rymuszko, Marek. The Elusive Force: A Remarkable Case of Poltergeist Activity and Psychokinetic Power (p. 17). Anomalist Books. Kindle Edition.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713067297488-Y9CQIP5HXG6H71LUDHA8/image8.jpg)
![Twisted remnants of a flying pot that crashed into a wall in the Gajewskis’ apartment, along with bent spoons and twisted forks. Ostrzycka, Anna; Rymuszko, Marek. The Elusive Force: A Remarkable Case of Poltergeist Activity and Psychokinetic Power](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063421723-9BU9G1AHQ3PCRMV2C3QS/image9.jpeg)
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![“A bathroom faucet bent psychokinetically by Joasia during her stay in Rm. 309 at a sanatorium in Zakopane, Jan. 30, 1985.”](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063422417-S5PDZ3SP6H3AN7NZ1FRO/image11.jpeg)
![A large, eavy gauge braided copper wire cable bent psychokinetically by Joasia.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57eaab3659cc68cc4f3275a5/1713063422986-OPR2ADBKLZ1UH2XD3CKU/image12.jpeg)
Reference Links:
Brandon Massullo’s website, Haunted Theories, www.hauntedtheories.com
Institute for the Study of Religious and Anomalous Experience – israenet.org
ART, LIFE AND UFOS – A Memoir by Budd Hopkins from Anomalist Books
The Society for Scientific Exploration www.scientificexploration.org
“The Elusive Force: Case of Psychokinesis” from the 3 Beards Podcast on YouTube
“Terrifying true case of 13-year-old Polish poltergeist girl” on reddit r/abovethenormnews
“Unforgettable Uri Geller Appearance | Carson Tonight Show” on the Johnny Carson YouTube channel
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Episode 282: The Elusive Force – A Powerful Polish Poltergeist Part 2. Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess. Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound. Music and Sound Design by Allen Carrescia. Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher. Ed Voccola, Technical Producer. Research Support from The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2024 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.